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Nuclear accident at Dockyard "would cause thousands of deaths" campaigners say

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Saturday, January 05, 2013
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THE Ministry of Defence has not ruled out the possibility of moving Britain's nuclear armed submarines to the Devonport naval base, despite safety concerns from campaigners.

The Scottish Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND) asked the MOD whether the fleet of armed Vanguard class submarines carrying Trident missiles could move from its current home in Faslane in Scotland to Devonport.

  1. HMS Vanguard, one of the Trident-carrying submarines, arriving at Devonport naval base

    HMS Vanguard, one of the Trident-carrying submarines, arriving at Devonport naval base

The response stated that neither the Devonport Naval Base nor the dockyard would safely permit the berthing of an armed Vanguard submarine.

But the campaigners were also told the MOD's internal safety watchdog, the Defence Nuclear Safety Regulator, "has not provided any advice" on the feasibility of docking a Vanguard class submarine at Devonport.

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John Ainslie, co-ordinator of Scottish CND, has drawn up a report looking at the risk of nuclear contamination in Plymouth in the event of a serious accident.

He told The Herald: "If Scotland were to go independent there are questions over what would happen to Trident. I have always been a bit wary about how easy it would be to move them.

"I was thinking they would have real problems basing them at Devonport because of the whole safety issue.

"You have got such a high population close to the submarine base at Devonport, there would be a very serious risk of fatalities and so forth.

"A missile accident at Devonport, in the centre of Plymouth, could result in thousands of deaths.

"In addition, a large proportion of the city would be abandoned for hundreds of years."

Scotland is due to vote on independence in 2014, and the SNP has stated it hopes to remove Trident missiles from Faslane.

But an MOD spokesman said there are currently no plans to move the submarine fleet.

Ian Ballantyne, editor of Warships magazine, said in the event of Scottish independence Devonport would be the only feasible alternative for the submarines.

"They already spend years of their lives here, they already come and go and get re-fitted at Devonport," he said.

"If Scotland goes independent and says 'take your nuclear submarines away' then they would have to operate from Devonport. "There is no way if we are a nation that operates nuclear submarines they would go anywhere else."

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  • Profile image for Molochius

    by Molochius

    Sunday, January 06 2013, 11:11PM

    “Pogle I would have no issue with that if they were stored in a safe manner well aware from areas of civilian population, Like you say they are a relic from a bygone era, it is not the cold war anymore”

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    by pogle63a

    Sunday, January 06 2013, 11:03PM

    “Sadly you cannot do away with something that has been proven and exists. These were supposed to be weapons of last resort, purely retaliatory weapons to the same kind of threat. Don`t know who we would consider `THE THREAT` today as world politics and attitudes have changed which questions our need to continue keeping them actively deployed. I think these days everyone who has control of such weapons know that to launch even one would set off a chain reaction that would probably see the end of mankind completely. Surely we as a Nation should be asking why we need to keep these weapons on immediate standby in light of the fact that threat of Nuclear Armageddon has decreased over the past 20 years.
    Scrap them no just put them under the bed so to speak and bring them out if the climate changes and the threat returns.”

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    by Molochius

    Sunday, January 06 2013, 9:46PM

    “best thing to happen would be to do away with the damm things, we are not the usa we shouldnt need such weapons of mass destruction because we see the entire world as some kind of giant whos got the biggest bomb contest as they seem to. These weapons will never be used and if they were the world following such an event would be pretty much one id hate to be a part of anyway. So there is no justification for placing such horrible weapons of mass destruction next to a civilian population. in a sane world theyd have been done away with years and years ago”

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    by CharlieDodd

    Sunday, January 06 2013, 12:18PM

    “Let's look on the bright side, if a reactor blows its top the wind might carry the radioactive doomsday cloud for many miles before it touches down to earth.
    Look at a Chernobyl fallout map, many spots near to it are completely untouched, but places as far afield as Sweden and Wales got zapped”

  • Profile image for pogle63a

    by pogle63a

    Sunday, January 06 2013, 11:45AM

    “Look on the bright side at least if it was a really, really, nasty accident which is unlikely to happen the worst possible scenario would be about 300,000 sick and dyeing people, close the A38, no problem doing that cancel the trains if they are not already and you can leave the problem to look after itself without bothering too much of the rest of the country.

    By the way Foldart its not a question of Plymouth not liking Devonport, The Dockyard that bears its name extends well past the boundaries of Devonport, it is what that Dockyard is being turned into that is making it unpopular not Devonport itself.”

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    by Foldart

    Sunday, January 06 2013, 11:13AM

    “Do you get the impression that Plymouth doesn't like Devonport?”

  • Profile image for jimjamjonny

    by jimjamjonny

    Sunday, January 06 2013, 11:07AM

    “Last one to leave Plymouth please Lock the door, mind you the country's homeless problem could be solved as the properties in Plymouth will be almost worthless and the tory's could buy thousands of houses for next to nothing.”

  • Profile image for pogle63a

    by pogle63a

    Sunday, January 06 2013, 10:01AM

    “@LHPlymouth that's nothing wait until they start shipping low level combustible waste out of their back door in the dead of night and burning that too. Lets face it that's why it is where it is neither the government nor the Council give a hoot about the long term effects it may have on the local population. Wouldn`t mind betting that not long after it opens it will be applying and will get a licence to burn radio active waste - sure as eggs are eggs.”

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    by LHPlymouth

    Saturday, January 05 2013, 11:37PM

    “This is the Guardian report on the nuclear subs/same story
    http://tinyurl.com/a3dlo84

    Seeing as someone else mentioned the 'i' word on here....

    Pity they don't show the same concerns for the residents in a densely populated part of Plymouth where the incinerator site is 44 metres from homes.”

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    by theboss1959

    Saturday, January 05 2013, 8:13PM

    “At least it would dry the ground up a wee bit, and nice and hot if only for a micro second, sun factor 3.000.000.000.000.000.000. I would say.”

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