Plymouth fans voice approval for new Home Park stadium ideas at Theatre Royal consultation

“This is by far and away the most important Argyle story - so why is it being buried amongst a whole load of 'fluff' and non-stories that you're putting on top of it to suppress what's really happening and how people feel. This rag is in PAFC's pocket and you will all get caught with your drawers down in some way or another. Start reporting it like it is to maintain your integrity if nothing else. I'm very surprised that the national media are not picking up on this story. Or maybe they will if the groundswell is sufficient to put it above the radar.”

“Lazy journalism again here, the vast majority of fans whilst welcoming the developments, are not happy at the proposed capacity or lack of detail on revenue to the club. Should current plans go ahead then I fear Argyle will forever be trapped in the lower leagues without the potential to grow or realise any ambition. The retail aspects behind the grandstand severely limit future expansion and the uplift of capacity to the existing 3 sides now appears minimal given Mr Brent's own architects findings on inadequate foundations to go any higher. No Argyle fan, or indeed fan of this city, is seriously opposed to progress but the club needs to be at the heart of this development if we are truly to become the self sustaining model Mr Brent correctly wants. That means a capacity not less than 20k to compete at the Championship level (and surely this aspiration is not unrealistic) and enough room to expand should we ever get to the promised land. Remember that Mr Brent has honestly stated if someone else could take the club higher than Championship level he would not stand in their way, providing clubs best interests at heart, so would he purchase any investment that had limited future growth? I think we need to think wider than our current situation or we will hit the same glass ceiling we have always hit, and no true fan wants another 50 years of false dawns!”

“The usual sloppy job done by the Herald,who i assume only spoke to a few people at the event itself.A quick look at the Argyle forums would tell them that less than 5% of fans have voted in favour of the current proposals.”

“Sorry, greenoopnorth. My apologies. It wasn't meant to be patronising to you. It was my way of saying that to take the average gate as a measure of what the capacity should be would be to miss the implication of that and what it actually should be to permit the accommodation of larger crowds.”

“Thanks for the maths lesson Devonview ;)”

“greenoopnorth

Average of 16,000 means some above 16,000 and some below.

If we go with the current plans there will be little space above 16,000. When you include the fans segregation area the capacity becomes even smaller.

It is important that we get things right now as we will be unable to do so in the future.”

“@grumpygit

I get what you mean, and do agree with most of your points but having been a supporter since a young age though I'm struggling to believe we will get more than 16k average gate, take out the wembley visit and the few gates of 20k for the derby games etc... it's averaged around 15k when playing in the second tier of the football league. As much as I'd love to believe we will one day be a premiere side I very much doubt it. The revenue and income would need to be way higher than we could achieve in Plymouth, lets face it, the Midland teams all struggle and rely heavily on parachute payments jumping up and down between the two...”

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“@greenoopnorth

The capacity being proposed at the moment will make it difficult competing against the Sheffield clubs, Birmingham etc when they drop out of the 2nd tier, even Doncaster with their slightly smaller capacity will probably be ahead of us when you consider their location which will attract more away support. We'll be falling further down the pecking order and left competing for top spot amongst the Devon Clubs. If that's your dream then I'm out along with I suspect many others.

I'd also add the new stand is supposed to supply us with all year round revenue yet no projected figures have been released? We've been lied to so many times in the past so why believe everyone now? If the stand was such a money earner they'd be bigging it up not remaining mute. From where I'm sat the additional revenue might be ok for a tinpot non-league outfit but it will have no bearing whatsoever should we ever reach the 2nd tier again.”

“Maybe all the happy clappers should bear in mind the original ''grandstand'' would have been 1400 seats smaller than Mansfield Towns and under the revised plans it is still 400 seats smaller. The development proposed is effectively the equivalent of stapling the contents of Transit Way to Mansfield Towns grandstand (all be it a smaller version).
James Brent is planning a large scale commercial development on land which belongs to the public in return for one small inflexible stand and I simply do not accept that can be good in any way shape or form.
Personally I am of the belief that if this cannot be done correctly than it should not be done at all, and the club should concentrate on its financial and footballing stability.”