Plymouth should learn to attract American tourists
PLYMOUTH should learn to attract tourists from across the Atlantic as it hatches ambitious plans for the future, says a top architect.
Anthony Clerici said the city should tap into the American tourist market – and become a true "destination".
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Action from the 34th Americas Cup in Plymouth Sound in 2011
The Worcester-based architect, a vice president of the Royal Institute of British Architects (RIBA), was speaking at the Plymouth Plan forum in the Council House last night.
More than 130 architects, business people, developers and academics met to debate the Plymouth Plan – the city's wide-ranging blueprint for development up to 2031.
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Mr Clerici said Plymouth had a great coastline and was close to Dartmoor.
But he said it had suffered from an image problem, and that the view from outside was that it was not a "destination".
"I don't understand why the place isn't crawling with Americans," Mr Clerici said.
"Maybe they have a problem getting here.
On the Mackay Vision of 2003, he said: "2003 is a long time ago.
"There is a vicious circle, and maybe it has stalled.
"Maybe we are here today to break that circle."
He said there was "an incredible scale" to Plymouth, but it was "very open and sometimes windswept".
Paul Barnard, the council's chief planner, said the Mackay Vision had been embedded into the city's strategies.
David Mackay had called for a step change in the pace and intensity of development, Mr Barnard said.
Mr Barnard said the recession of 2008 had wiped out jobs created before 2006.
"Incredibly for a First World city we have neighbourhoods where you die 15 years sooner than if you live in another neighbourhood."
He said the challenge was to make plans that are inspirational.
Isabel Allen, director of design at Kevin McCloud's HAB Oakus company, said: "Vision is wonderful but you must not forget the boring stuff."
She explained how a major project in Swindon went wrong "because we didn't dot our Is and cross our Ts".
Peter Towey of Plymouth Civic Society said the city centre was dead at night. There could be more in the Plymouth Plan to encourage people to "live above the shop", he said.
Professor Julian Beer, pro vice chancellor of Plymouth University, said the university had an aspiration to get more people living in the centre to create more vibrancy.
Mr Barnard said it needed to be private sector-led.
Tim Jones, chair of the Heart of the South West Local Enterprise Partnership, said that if you were going to develop a niche market like Exeter's Southernhay more flexibility was needed by planners.
He quoted Mr Mackay saying the city centre needed to be "a place of chaos".
Plymouth City Council leader Tudor Evans said: "What we are trying to do with the Plymouth Plan is to remove the barriers to development.
"It's the same plan that saw the development of Drake Circus and the Roland Levinsky Building.
"I am really interested in getting ideas from people who are not in the planning department."
Mr Jones said about 30 per cent of non-food shopping was now online, and that was challenging city centres.
"The market is moving so quickly and it's catching out an awful lot of people."
But in answer to the idea of car-free developments, he said: "If you removed the car from the equation you would not be able to fund that development."
Ms Allen agreed, saying: "The thing we've had to backpedal on most is the car. I'm very disappointed."
But Mr Clerici said successful cities had taken the brave step of removing the car.
Cllr Evans said: "The city centre is much bigger than it needs to be for a population of our size."
But he said the council was going to "defend" the city centre to keep it as a shopping centre.
Artist Sally Hall said there was "a depressing uniformity" about the city centre. Space should not just be for big retailers, she said.
Prof Beer said the university was working with the council to develop diversity and encourage graduates to stay in the city.
Cllr Evans reminded the audience that there were other parts of the city, like Royal William Yard, the Barbican and Sutton Harbour.
Simon Bradbury, an architecture lecturer, said: "If you want quality, don't rely on the private sector."
And he said the council should think about the six-month plan and the one-year plan as well as the 20-year plan.
Estate agent Roger Punch said the Waterfront was the city's unique selling point.
"I see a sea change with people coming in from outside and buying high-quality property, attracted by the Waterfront," he said.
The forum was organised by Jonathan Braddick, chairman of the Plymouth branch of RIBA.




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by Foldart
Thursday, March 07 2013, 7:05AM
“@Felix_Devil said 'They're all either small or downmarket.' Yes! That describes us perfectly. Let's hope we stay like it. After all, we spent the best part of the 17th century sending all our numpties to America; why invite them back?”
by Felix_Devil
Thursday, March 07 2013, 12:25AM
“Great comments, mtaylor. I'm originally from Plymouth, but have lived and worked for many years in New York, Boston and San Francisco. One thing many of my friends from the US complain about when they visit: there is no decent hotel in Plymouth. They're all either small or downmarket. We need a class hotel to attract the well-heeled visitor.”
by Foldart
Wednesday, March 06 2013, 8:29PM
“Personally, I like it it just the way is. As long as nobody wants to come here, I get it all to myself. Lovely peaceful walks on the moor or coastal footpaths, beaches close by, quiet-ish roads, no airport. No tourists! Let's just keep it our little secret.”
by jannersontour
Wednesday, March 06 2013, 5:28PM
“Refreshing post by Mtaylor. Kinda confirms what some of us know.
Plymouth is a village.”
by Teradata
Wednesday, March 06 2013, 4:13PM
“mtaylor is an American living in Plymouth, I'm a Plymouthian living in America, and I agree that his comments are very insightful. I would add the following. As in any marketing campaign, you need to decide very clearly exactly what your target audience is. Plymouth will always lose out in the wider "general tourism" field to London, Stratford, Bath etc. As mtaylor says, Plymouth's strengths are oriented towards the great outdoors, and although the vast majority of tourists aren't outdoor oriented, there is a niche market that is. I have a friend here (in San Diego, California) who is an avid cyclist, and has been on cycling tours in Switzerland and the Cotswolds. So go for the folks who want to hike or ride their bikes, and sell Dartmoor, the many other scenic trails, and the SW Coast Path (with a great pub to visit at the end of the day.........they don't have great pubs over here!). Sell to the well heeled sailing types, who can hopefully come to Plymouth, rent a yacht, and sail its "historic" waters (and perhaps sleep in the restored "historic" Royal William Yard?). Side visits to Buckland Abbey, Saltram House etc would help satisfy the need for a bit of history in the visitors stay. And I'm sure there are more ideas that others could come up with, but these are a start.”
by newplymouth
Wednesday, March 06 2013, 12:57PM
“@Dunthiel
Airport get real!
No US originating planes could ever land there!
Much better to develop Exeter with its long runway and then ferry our American cousins down to Plymouth preferably on the scenic route over Dartmoor. Exeter is already an established package holiday airport why not develop it for inward bound tours from the US and Europe?”
by newplymouth
Wednesday, March 06 2013, 12:48PM
“@mtaylor
Thank you a great posting
A welcome improvement to some of the usual Whingeing and Wisecracking this story has attracted!
You are dead right about so much of old Plymouth being destroyed first by Hitler then Abercrombie and his Eastern[Communist] European inspired Town Planners
The Military still just has too much of the remaining historic sites in Plymouth hopefully with the defence cuts more of these will come back to the City. Just think what the Citadel could be like if it was a retail quarter like St Malo; then take a bulldozer to our sad 50's shopping centre and let the students have it for flats!
We really must make more of the Mayflower steps too!”
by OutsideView
Wednesday, March 06 2013, 11:36AM
“I would add that the "Experts" should read mtaylor's comments and perhaps they might learn something of benefit.”
by OutsideView
Wednesday, March 06 2013, 11:28AM
“What Hitler didn't destroy, out of town architects and planners in conjunction with successive councilors have finished off.
Plymouth used to be a destination for Americans when trans-atlantic liners docked here and of course the American navy.
Cruise liners do not call here because there is nothing of attraction here. Even the Mayflower Steps are of little significance.
As to being referred to as a first world City, I don't think so, as it is dirtier and in a state of decay more than a number of Third World towns and cities.”
by pogle63a
Wednesday, March 06 2013, 9:44AM
“The only way to get Americans here is to hijack a plane and land it........ oh no sorry no airport, forget that idea then.”