'Secret plans' for a hunting comeback

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SECRET plans that would see hunting with dogs fully legalised again have been drawn up with the support of senior members of the Conservative Party, it has been claimed.

The plans could provide guidelines if the Hunting Act 2004 – which saw hunting foxes with dogs banned – is repealed and would include the creation of a dedicated body to police the pastime.

Details of a proposal to set up a Hunt Regulatory Authority have emerged, with those behind it saying they have won support from senior Tories, including former party leader and current Shadow Foreign Secretary William Hague, shadow justice minister Edward Garnier and Viscount Astor, stepfather of David Cameron's wife, Samantha.

Brian Fanshawe, a former master of foxhounds, told the Independent on Sunday that the plans had been drawn up by the Countryside Alliance.

He said he and Stephen Lambert, chairman of the Master of Foxhounds Association, visited several senior Conservatives who agreed that the scheme would be "absolutely essential" in any repeal of the Act.

Mr Fanshawe added: "Everybody recognises it's a very badly written law but we've always felt we couldn't really justify repeal just on bad law and have hunting go back to the status quo of the 80s and 90s. What we want to get away from is being accused of being arrogant and not dealing with genuine complaints."

Mr Lambert said there was a surge in confidence that the ban would be overturned if the Conservatives won the next election, and the plans had been drawn up in readiness. "We've built the car, the key is in the ignition, we're just waiting to turn it," he said.

He said the proposed authority would provide independent regulation and would aim to be above the reproach of cronyism with hunt supporters. It would mean hunting was strictly controlled.

The body would oversee six key rules, including that hunting should avoid "unnecessary suffering", that animals and the environment must be respected and that "reasonable steps" be taken to ensure hunts had the landowner's permission to hunt.

Another rule would be that hunting was carried on "in a manner that respects any other lawful activity being undertaken by any other person on the land"; and that nobody may carry out any hunting likely to bring the pastime into disrepute. Each hunt would have to sign up to the plan and it would be up to the master to ensure rules were obeyed.

The League Against Cruel Sports is preparing to launch an opposition campaign in the run-up to a General Election. A spokesman said: "Hunters are in cahoots with senior politicians who are promising to repeal the Hunting Act when the opportunity arises, despite the fact that polls show public opinion is against them.

"Our campaign will highlight those candidates who have pledged their support for hunting, and those that haven't. After all, 75 per cent of the public support the ban, and politicians who ignore the public always suffer at the polls."

A Tory Party spokesman refused to confirm or deny the claims, but repeated a pledge that a Conservative Government would hold a free vote on the issue in parliamentary time.

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    by Catalyst, Cornwall

    Thursday, August 27 2009, 1:04PM

    “Rats are full of diseases, foxes are not. They can carry rabies but the last case of rabies in this country was in 1922.

    WE used to have a jack russell to control rats, they kill them very quickly by breaking their necks. They certainly don't hunt them down for miles until they're exhausted, then rip them apart.

    Foxes generally don't attack dogs, even smaller ones. They would act in self defence if attacked though.

    Dogs kill sheep and foxes get the blame. Foxes do take lambs and will attack a ewe that's giving birth or one that is very sick.

    You can buy electric fences to protect your poultry, much cheaper than keeping a horse and all the kit needed to hunt foxes; and as Sarah points out, hunting foxes with hounds is very hit and miss, which proves my point about it being sport not pest control.

    There are more effective ways of controlling fox numbers. While shooting them may not be 100%, it is a far better option than chasing them and letting the hounds rip them up.

    I'm a country lad and have seem just about everything that happens in the countryside; so don't try and tell me I don't know what i'm talking about!”

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    by Lucy, Truro

    Wednesday, August 26 2009, 3:00PM

    “I'm afraid you're wrong Catalyst, as people do indeed make a hobby out of killing rats using dogs. In fact it is often children who beat the ground with a broom whilst their jack russels catch the jumping rats and shake them to death.

    My dog which was injured was incidentally an Alano (A very large breed of mastiff), although I'm not sure what the size of the dog has to do with anything considering a fox will happily bring down a fully grown sheep.

    Why is it that a rat is seen as different to a fox? They're both dirty, are both attracted to rubbish, are both scavengers and will both bite anything that gets in their way. Whether people like it or not foxes are vermin, categorised as pests along with rabbits, badgers, magpies, rats etc.”

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    by Liz, cornwall

    Wednesday, August 26 2009, 1:03PM

    “The local hunt came thro my land without even trying to obtain permission, in their quest for their fun day of sport the took down one of the gates, completely wound up my own horses who then escaped. One of my horses then in his hysteria went galloping off down a main road before attempting to scramble up a hedge in his panic. 2 operations, months of nursing and off work and a huge vets bill later, what do you think the local hunt have said about that??..... absoloutley nothing! i am a horsewomen and can fully appreciate the freedom and enjoyment an exhilerating days riding with your hore can bring, what I dont appreciate is (as so often the case) this stuck up pompous better than everyone else, we will go where we want and do what we please attitiude that so many hunt fraternity conduct themselves.
    I wont be voting tories if thats the case if they are to relegalise hunting, tho lets be honest the hunting may be illegal but it certainly hasnt stopped!”

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    by Sarah, Nr Truro

    Wednesday, August 26 2009, 12:36PM

    “Excuse me Catalyst, but when have you seen this being done in a hunt? You couldn¿t possibly
    a) Because you don¿t agree with it so therefore wouldn¿t even be there
    And
    b) All the years of hunting I did we never caught a fox they always were excuse the pun sly as a fox.

    If they had been scared well then frankly I don¿t care because they would have scared our livestock when they killed them so I am sorry but foxes are cute and fluffy when you see them running around but not everybody views this opinion of yours.

    Second point I would like to make is how high do you expect our fences to be and how big our dogs to be exactly???”

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    by Bob, PZ

    Wednesday, August 26 2009, 12:32PM

    “Perhaps if the fox was feed to the dogs and not simply thrown away and wasted the protesters would feel better about it. After all foxes tear chickens to bits and eat them.”

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    by Catalyst, Cornwall

    Wednesday, August 26 2009, 11:56AM

    “Lucy

    Sounds like you need to get a bigger dog and protect your livestock with a fence that's more effective against foxes.

    Rats and foxes are not on the same level. Everyone (that's reasonable at least) would agree that rats are vermin, but not foxes. I guess that's because most of us wouldn't have a problem with a fox in our garden but would if we saw a rat.

    This doesn't make it ok to hunt and kill foxes with dogs. People haven't made a sport out of hunting rats; you just get a pest control expert in (or buy poison yourself) who will sort out the problem and give you some advice if you need it. They will come and use the most appropriate and effective method of removing the pest. Can it be said that hunting foxes with hounds is the most effective and appropriate method of removing a fox that's taking livestock? No.

    Hunting foxes is about sport, it's a historical fact. To use the 'pest control' defence is utterly misleading and downright dishonest.

    You may have seen some foxes that took a while to die after being shot, well no method will ever be perfect. But the alternative is just a disgusting dfisplay of blood-lust; every fox that's caught by a hunt is torn to pieces by a pack of hounds in front of a group of bloodthirsty, sick and depraved oiks and bumpkins etc.”

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    by len hudson, st austell

    Wednesday, August 26 2009, 10:26AM

    “this is just another way of getting more votes . if they bring hunting back they will lose my vote .”

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    by Tina, Truro

    Wednesday, August 26 2009, 9:06AM

    “It is good to see the Tories understand personal freedoms and are doing their best to reverse this, spying on each other and interfering with other peoples interests that Labour has cultured.
    I don't like hunting, but I would like the freedom to do it if I did.”

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    by Lucy, Truro

    Wednesday, August 26 2009, 8:34AM

    “Sorry Dave, I've missed exactly what your case is?

    As I say, each of us can only comment on personal experiences. Foxes are vermin who last year managed to kill 11 of our ducks and injure our dog. This year we have already lost 2 sheep.

    We do not make a living out of keeping these animals, they are our pets so of course we love them.

    If we had a rat infestation, I would not think twice about poisoning them ... would this also make me a hypocrite for saying that I'm an animal lover?”

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    by Dave Joslin, St Austell

    Tuesday, August 25 2009, 2:55PM

    “There we have it now. An animal lover who hunts........animals. I rest my case.”

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